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Anyone bothered?

I really want to try this out, but I do not have nearly enough tanks and walkers to do it. I have wanted to run a massive IG sentinel force with a few Hellhounds and this would let me. It looks like a lot of fun

Yes, I thought that: finally gives me an opportunity to use my Baneblade, too.

The reason I asked, though, is that I've seen little excitement or interest in the expansion anywhere - a bit like Battle Missions, now I think on it. I was skeptical about this expansion primarily as I assumed it just to be an excuse to sell loads more tank kits and I was wondering if this is out of step with the player base: the most popular games at the club seem to be smaller, skirmish based games, and I'm not sure that too many people are looking to shell out on another ten tanks for an already cluttered and expensive game.

while it is a shameless excuse to sell more tanks, it is free in white dwarf, and it looks like fun. I think the club is a little bit restricted by the time limits. if you could play for 4-5 hours i am sure we would see bigger games.

Yes, I'd not considered that, and it's certainly good to see WD be put to good use again, definitely. What appeals is that the game seems to run like an Apocalypse-lite, which I quite like the idea of, I still think a 6'x4' table is way too small for the amount of miniatures required, though (but I think that about any game of 40k these days).

I'd be quite interested in giving it a go but using standard army list compositions but allowing a single spearhead in a game of around 2000 points, I think that could add some interesting flavours to a game.

(03-06-2010 05:40 PM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I'd not considered that, and it's certainly good to see WD be put to good use again, definitely. What appeals is that the game seems to run like an Apocalypse-lite, which I quite like the idea of, I still think a 6'x4' table is way too small for the amount of miniatures required, though (but I think that about any game of 40k these days).

Yea I prefer the ol 8x4 of days gone by! then you had room to flank properly!

You can play on any size board you want though, not matter the points of the game!
No one said you must use 6 by 4. Personally I prefer the 6 by 4 so armies that move ridiculously fast, or have extra long range firepower don't always get that edge.
Still, the extra 2 foot gives an added tactical thought for the occasional game, and I do admit that in something like a spearhead game where tanks are the name of the game, that extra room is vital.

(03-06-2010 07:12 PM)TheOneYouKnow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be quite interested in giving it a go but using standard army list compositions but allowing a single spearhead in a game of around 2000 points, I think that could add some interesting flavours to a game.

I agree partly there, I think too many of us forget to have fun in 40k, to hell with it lets mess about and field a stompa/baneblade or 20 predators if your opponent knows its coming he can be prepared for it! we pay a lot of money for those kits and barely ever field them

Yeah I agree. Fun the the key element to gaming and I've never been one for gaming against people where fun isn't the priority. I just don't own anything near that size of a force or the immense models that FW produce, so never had the opportunity or necessity to play such a game, though it isn't something I would easily overlook!

(03-06-2010 08:42 PM)TheOneYouKnow Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I agree. Fun the the key element to gaming and I've never been one for gaming against people where fun isn't the priority. I just don't own anything near that size of a force or the immense models that FW produce, so never had the opportunity or necessity to play such a game, though it isn't something I would easily overlook!

How bout this.... I meet your challenge on tuesday,if you make it, 2000pts anything goes! no FO charts no limits to ICs ect I play a Mek stompa and a few trimmings! No objectives just a mad free for all till we get thrown out or run out of toys A mini apoc/spearhead if you like

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Looks like Ive missed u this time but next time....

It'd be more exciting if 5th edition wasnt already encouraging you to take as many tanks as possible

Although as a IG player who used to do a all tank (and 15 infantry) tourney list, I'm not that bothered. I'm not exited, as I haven't used planetstrike, or battle missions, or enough apocalypse.
It's also a bugger to take large quantities of tanks to the club without breaking any (the last valk transported ended up in bits. boo)
I'd be interested, but far more in a weekend game where it's not rushed and gets finished

Yes: that's true actually - there's no compulsion to use a 6'x4' table, but it's the accepted (and expected) standard. With the decrease in points costs of models (which I don't begrudge GW, you know - they have to sell things to turn a profit), I think tables are waaaaaaay too cluttered, and not even just for horde armies. If I set my Guardsmen up on the table, they form a solid wodge of miniatures right across the deployment zone and I don't spam out on cheap troops, I keep them pretty elite.

Anyway! Yes, I would like to give this a go and have some fun with it, but definitely on a bigger table and definitely at leisure.

(03-06-2010 10:59 PM)EdSmasha Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2010 08:42 PM)TheOneYouKnow Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I agree. Fun the the key element to gaming and I've never been one for gaming against people where fun isn't the priority. I just don't own anything near that size of a force or the immense models that FW produce, so never had the opportunity or necessity to play such a game, though it isn't something I would easily overlook!

How bout this.... I meet your challenge on tuesday,if you make it, 2000pts anything goes! no FO charts no limits to ICs ect I play a Mek stompa and a few trimmings! No objectives just a mad free for all till we get thrown out or run out of toys A mini apoc/spearhead if you like

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Looks like Ive missed u this time but next time....

Well I have a game already booked for this week, and the free session I'm gonna get some malifaux intro going down, but I will be up for this at some point Sounds fun!
I'd quite like to have a couple more tanks as my only heavy support at the moment is a land raider crusader and a 5 man devastator squad... but hey!
If we put it off until late summer I reckon it would be more fun and more matched up (without being too anal about it all).

From the Tyranid point of view this is a huge disappointment. Already in 5th edition mechanised armies are very powerful, and Nids are the only army, I believe, not to be able to field any vehicles whatsoever.

Now with this expansion making the enemy tanks scoring, more shooty and have extra cool abilities while Nids get 1 monstrous creature formation which gives some so-so abilities but get the big drawback of rage. And you have to pay points for the priviledge! No thanks.

In addition the whole force organisation is borked for Nids. Almost the entire anti tank units are in the Elites, and there seems to be no way to get more Elites beyond the maximum of 3 units. So in a 4000 point game of Spearhead, all I get to bring as dedicated shooting anti tank are 3 units of either Zoanthropes or Hive Guard. The same number that I already bring at 1500 points (and are already insufficient at that level).

Final insult, is that while Super Heavies are allowed, Gargantuan Creatures seem not to be allowed.

(03-06-2010 04:04 PM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone bothered?

Nope.

Not even a little bit.

In fairness, that's not a criticism - I really like that they've done a mini-release in WD and interwebz. I'm just not a massive treadhead.

I am the same as Diabolist plod. I like that they gave us a free expansion and released some new stuff for Eldar. But I not really a fan of tanks, I dont have many and find them quite boring to paint.

Tanks are quite boring to paint unless you get into it, and if you aren't a tread head, that is pretty hard. I'm not a massive tread head, but I like painting the occasional one. I think with some adaptation nids would work, you just have to be sensible about the application of spearheads and make the game more of a scenario rather than any competitive game as such. I think this expansion is definitely one for those occasional games where you have more of a narrative going on around it. I feel the same with planetstrike too.

On a seperate note, can't you put elites into spearhead formations?

Tanks can be easy to paint, it just depends on how much weathering you want to put on

Regarding the Nids though, there are 2 spearheads that they can use. Don't forget the Mass Attack spearhead giving all your Gaunts melta-bombs

As a guard and Tau player I am naturally inclined toward tank battles, so I may be a bit biased. However I also think the spearhead rules give some interesting new tactical challenges, rather than the standard 3 missions out of the rulebook.

I would say though that the associated battle report had a really stupid Guard build to counter Eldar. Where were the Hydras?