I'm off to Scrap Metal II at Maelstrom in August and just wondered if the list I'm hoping to take would pack a decent enough punch.
High Exemplar Kreoss (*5pts)
* Revenger (6pts)
* Fire of Salvation (9pts)
* Vanquisher (8pts)
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3pts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer (2pts)
Knights Exemplar (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Exemplar Errant Seneschal (2pts)
Knight Exemplar Seneschal (3pts)
Vassal Mechanik (1pts)
I will be hoping to test this out fully in the next few weeks. I tried the FoS, Bastions and Mechanik for the first time last night against Mark and liked what I saw.
But I'm just wondering what you guys think.
P.S. is anyone else thinking of going?
The list looks solid, but I'll still read up on menoth and make some suggestion later this week. But if you want we could arrange a game sometime and I can put you up against my eGaspy list that I took to the ETC? Pm me or talk to me next week (I'm playing martin next week).
I like it, but it seems like more of an eKreoss list... Lots and lots of melee pain.
Otherwise, no Vassal? No book?
ZOMG!
If you're set on regular Kreoss, I really like Zealots with him. Auto-hitting firebombs with +2/+2 is horrible.
He's also pretty squishy, so it might be worth taking a Devout (I think, the light with the shield and the ability to get in the way and be horribly annoying)...?
What scenarios are you playing at Scrap Metal?
It is well worth thinking about them, and the general scoring system... If they're planning on using the battle points thing (like at the ETC, max 5000pts to be scored in a game), it's well worth planning a list around grinding through the enemy and wiping out as much as you can, rather than assassinating...
-Tom.
When I was halway through making this list, it looked like an all Exemplar list so I just rolled with it. I made the list fairly quickly.
It does feel strange not taking Zealots as my philosphy is never leave home without 'em. In my last game with Ravage (once again, great game Mark), I coped with thier absence. I could include them (with UA) at the expense of the untried Knights and Knight Seneschal. If I do this then I may swap the Vanquisher with a Castigator.
I tried out the Bastions (who look strangely like Deathwing Termies atm) and I liked the way they held their position and the amount damage they dealt.
Good point about taking a Devout. The way I played my last game saw me push Kreoss forward in order to utilise Lamentation (which worked well). This made the Revenger's Arc Node rather useless. So I could swap the Revenger for a Devout plus Wracks.
Concerning taking the Covenant or a Vassal might mean leaving out the Errant Seneschal which would be fine with me as Errants plus UA are a unit oozing massive amounts of butt-kickery as they are. But then the Errant Senny does give Hunter which came in very useful the first time I included him) and Quick Work. I have quite a bit to think about over the next few weeks so who knows.
I've just looked at the rules pack and it will be the Battle points sytem and probably the same scenarios.
***Just decided to take a look at eKreoss... maybe...***
yeah, with the battle points system it encourages grinding the opponent down, then going for the win. You want to choose a caster who is not built for assassination (Menoth - your ok then) and make sure you can do lots of damage for a couple of turns before going for a kill. You get 40% of your points from working this system, so is kinda important.
If you want I will get a 50pt list out for tuesday's game so you can get some practice in at that size.
(15-07-2010 02:24 PM)marcus Wrote: [ -> ]If you want I will get a 50pt list out for tuesday's game so you can get some practice in at that size.
All my models are in my case so I would be ready to roll with the 50 pt list, but we can stay at 35. It will just mean I can concentrate more on one or two models/units to see how they will fit into the plan. We can always do 50 later.
If you're playing him forward, the Devout is definitely the better choice than the Revenger (ZOMG, no arc-node!).
An interesting fact about Bastions: If you spread the damage around, the damage comes from Sanguine Bond, and not the enemy attack, thus preventing things like cause additional effects when damaging...
Mean huh? Also, you can use Sanguine Bond to transfer the damage to the same guy that got hit, if you like.
The only thing to watch out for is insanely mental damage rolls, as you have to transfer ALL of it, so if you take 40 damage from one attack (somehow!) and choose to use Sanguine Bond, all the Bastions will die. Sad times.
It's worth practicing 50 points a few times as well, I was pretty unprepared for how it changes the game...
-Tom.
(15-07-2010 06:45 PM)minus_t Wrote: [ -> ]An interesting fact about Bastions: If you spread the damage around, the damage comes from Sanguine Bond, and not the enemy attack, thus preventing things like cause additional effects when damaging...
This is why I've instantly fell in love with them. They would also be immune continuous effects anyway if I take eKreoss (They gain Aegis from Elite Cadre).
I'm now putting in some serious thought into the whole p or e Kreoss thing. Both have awesome feats while p has Lamentation (which can be very effective and is an upkeep) and e has Armour Piercing on his weapon which just begs to tear into 'jacks/beasts. Both feats will allow Bastions to bring the pain in abundance.
I am pretty much certain to take out the Revenger and stick a Devout in it's place.
Remember that the Armour Percing is a special attack on eKreoss, so he will only get one AP attack, and normal after that. Having said that, an AP charge attack will do 14 damage to a Khador Jack on average, so most other stuff will die.
(16-07-2010 12:59 PM)marcus Wrote: [ -> ]Remember that the Armour Percing is a special attack on eKreoss, so he will only get one AP attack, and normal after that. Having said that, an AP charge attack will do 14 damage to a Khador Jack on average, so most other stuff will die.
I think this is fine if he charges with Devout/other unit. An average of 14 damage plus whatever other damage is caused by his companion(s) will shut a couple of systems down.
I'd probably be more tempted to go regular Kreoss, he's much safer... The problem with melee casters is that it's tempting to put them into melee... And that is generally bad.
Plus, Lamentation is horrible.
-Tom.
My plans might be changed again.
Maelstrom have finally got Avatars of Menoth in stock and can at last put mine in the post...
As I don't have any more time to squeeze in a practice game before the event (only a campaign game against Jon), I've pretty much narrowed down my Scrap Metal list.
High Exemplar Kreoss (*5pts)
* Devout (5pts)
* Fire of Salvation (9pts)
* Vanquisher (8pts)
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer (2pts)
Knights Exemplar (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Exemplar Errant Seneschal (2pts)
Knight Exemplar Seneschal (3pts)
Vassal Mechanik (1pts)
Vassal of Menoth (2pts)
I decided against taking eKreoss as I haven't assembled him let alone played him yet. The Revenger has been dropped for the Devout and Mechanik. Everything else has kept it's place.
The only thing I'm not sure about atm are the Knights Exemplar. They haven't been really good for me so far or I haven't used the properly. I'm now thinking of replacing them (and the Knights Senny who I really, really like) with a full strength unit of Zealots with UA. At least I know that they are very trusty.
High Exemplar Kreoss (*5pts)
* Devout (5pts)
* Fire of Salvation (9pts)
* Vanquisher (8pts)
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Exemplar Bastions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer (2pts)
Holy Zealots (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Holy Zealot Monolith Bearer (2pts)
Exemplar Errant Seneschal (2pts)
Vassal Mechanik (1pts)
I have always found the Knights Senny useful and well worth 3 points, but to include him I would have to drop the Monolith Bearer and only take a minimum strength unit of Zealots. Either way, letting Zealots loose on a feat turn is always a good thing.
I'm happy with the 'jack selection (the FoS can be very nasty and the whole Vanq/Vassal/Choir combo is just as good) and indeed with the rest of the force, so I feel they can all deliver lots of pain.
The challenge now is to actually begin to paint like mad (or more like an elephant in my case).
I am quite surprised you're not taking a node, TBH. Immolation is a wonderful spell to arc, and you can drop 3 if you need to, or 2 boosted... Certainly a potential game-ender.
I think I like the second list more than the first, though. The Zealots give you a nice tar-pit to keep things off your slower troops and jacks, which is all full of awesome.
It would be nice to fit a Vassal in there, I reckon, but I can't see anything to drop to fit him in...
Good luck dude!
-Tom.
I've made the decision to drop the Knights + Knights Senny for a full unit of Zealots + UA. As I've said before, the Zealots are very trusty and plus they are already painted (I have three evenings now to finish painting the force and make markers which is asking a lot from me).
I probably keep thinking about the whole Revenger/Devout + Mechanik thing until I get to Maelstrom. Do I go for an Arc Node or do I go for an escort for Kreoss? I'm leaning towards the latter as I'm hoping to push Kreoss forward a bit (not too much).
With the rest of your army being able to hit like a ton of bricks (napalm-filled bricks of FAITH!), you're probably ok without the node, as he isn't exactly the best melee jack ever, if you ignore the node...
If Maelstrom are using the ETC battle points system, make sure you kill as much as humanly possible. Try and kill off whole units if you can, too, as otherwise survivors tend to run off and hide in corners and behind buildings, denying you points (sad times).
Best of luck with the painting dude, and good luck there!
-Tom.
Here it all is. Kreoss Raiding Party. Furious work needs to be done tonight and tomorrow morning. I might even leave the basing and arc marking until I get to my hotel. They are not painted brilliantly (again painting is my lesat favourite aspect of the hobby) but I'm hoping that they certainly look unifed.
Also, I'm hoping to put a lot more pics on my gaming blog while I update it over the weekend.
Burning Monkey is currently making the CGC Awesomesaurs proud and has three out of three...
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loses.
I lied about the making you all proud part. I am going to do some brief write-ups and post them on my blog (there is less than three hours until Match of the Day so I'd better be quick). There will be couple of pre-Maelstrom entries on there.
nice to see some mid tournie updates, shame about the losses. keep it up, hopefully the second day will go better
The more games the better you will get, it took me ages to be a 1/2 decent wfb tournament player. Just enjoy the games and learn and thanks for the up;dates