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IMPORTANT: Change of Venue
#1
Hi everyone, 

As you all know, the current club venue, The Ship in Borough, has been taking a lot of bookings on Tuesdays and Thursdays since Pat took over management. We have a pretty sweet deal at the Ship - no minimum spend, free storage, free room hire and of course the most jovial of chefs. Sadly this does mean that when the manager can take bookings that will draw in more money, he does, and this is happening fairly frequently now. We are currently averaging 1 night a week at the moment at the ship, but it varies as to which one. 

The committee have been on the lookout for a new venue for several weeks now, and we are pleased to announce that we have secured a new location, if we want it. We have provisionally booked the Horse and Stables function room from 12th July onwards, giving us a bit of time to make a decision about whether we want to go or not. There are some upsides and some downsides to a possible move, so we've outlined what we think are the benefits of staying or leaving. We would value your opinions on this below. 


Stay at The Ship
Pros:
-Good location, near tubes, buses and trains
-Staff know us and are relatively tolerant

Cons:
-Regular interruptions to sessions
-New food menu more limited and more expensive than ever
-Small room
-Not available for Saturday events (tournaments etc)


Move to The Horse and Stables
Pros:
-Near Waterloo and Lambeth North Tube
-Near Darksphere, so you can go buy toys!
-Extensive food menu, similar prices
-Bigger room
-Guaranteed weekly booking
-Available Saturdays for tournaments (potentially)

Cons:
-Change of night to Wednesdays only
-Minimum bar spend of £200 - this one is important. We would need everybody to spend money at the bar to retain access to the long-term booking. 


   

       

As you can see, there are upsides and downsides to moving. We would value your thoughts in this thread. Does the move to Wednesdays bother you? Is the location a major problem? Does the option of running tournaments on Saturdays again sound awesome? Do you just love the idea of having chicken nuggets for dinner? If we don't spend enough money regularly we will get kicked out. Arg?

We'll make a decision based on your feedback in the next couple of weeks. As it stands we have several sessions available to us at the Ship during June. 


Regards, 

The Committee
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#2
Wednesdays aren't great to be honest, but the venue looks great. £200 per night doesn't seem stupid amounts. We usually have about 12-15 people per night so a couple of drinks + food seems to fill out the budget.
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#3
Wednesdays is my other prebooked gaming night sadly, so it's terrible for me personally. Location doesn't fuss me at all. I am finding the lack of certainty of availability a complete pain at The Ship, so moving is advantageous to stop that...I just won't be able to attend as much (and I don't make it that often now to be fair!)

Discordant feedback is confusing! Urm, sorry?
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#4
The day is fine for me and venue is easy as I often collect stuff from DS and get in at Waterloo

The minimum spend doesn't seem like a huge issue, just we may have to cancel nights with minimal bookings?

Saturday tournement's at Eagle have been a big success, so getting it going at a more central venue could drive some people too.
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#5
For me the assurance of a venue and day to play is good. I usually have a few drinks and so the minimum spend isn't off putting to me. I also think the close proximity to DS and having a beer might be appealing to more new members.
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#6
From my (personal) point of view, dropping back to one night a week actually makes the club feel more like a club again - being split over two nights made things feel a bit distant, even when we were getting our nights regularly.
The new space is easily big enough for 8 4x4 tables with way more besides, which is awesome.


We're (the committee is) fairly sure that the £200 minimum shouldn't be a big problem normally, and with a bigger space were hopeful that the club could undergo a bit of a growth spurt.
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#7
Wednesday is ok for me and it's one tube station closer so it's great on this side.
Problem is 200£... it's super expensive. 10 people (seems more realistic than 15) would have to spend 20£ each, it's way too expensive.
I usually order a coke or two that's it.

I'm sorry to say that I'm not ready to spend 20£ +club fees every gaming night. Sad
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#8
Bear in mind that a lot of people have a meal (£10) so after that it's pretty much 2 drinks and you're at £20. I know that I'm more than happy to order a meal and have two drinks in an evening to help support a thing I enjoy Smile
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#9
Location is fine for me as it's close to Waterloo, proximity to DS is a huge bonus though.
Wednesdays are equally good for me as Tuesdays.
I'm concerned about the minimum spend, personally I'd buy a pint or two usually. But if the committee is confident that as a club we spend enough I'm good with that.
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#10
I vote move. I agree that one night a week might make us feel closer as a group. I like the idea of Saturday events, can you say a Shadow War Armageddon? What times will we have the room for?

Also I'm bummed that I can't get a cheap burger anymore.
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#11
Wednesday's are always a no go for me, it's the worst possible night. As I alway WFH and do the school run morning and evening. That's my GFs free night during the week as well. Not that she'll be going gaming, I think...

Location is good and I spend 20 quid anyway on food and drink at the Ship. Weds is sadly just not possible for me.
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#12
I really like the idea of one game night per week so that I get to meet everyone. Wednesday is not a problem for me. Location is not a problem for me (just found out I can take a bus from where I work). Being close to DS is great. I have no problem with the minimum spending as I normally order a meal and two drinks. I don't know if the committee has figured it out already or not, but I'm a bit concerned about how to make sure we reach that minimum spending.

I vote for moving, and really appreciate the effort of the committee, whether or not we decide to move in the end.
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#13
I like the idea of a regular night however a £200 minimum would be the biggest concern for me. However if the committee think that we can manage it happy to go with the group decision.
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#14
Thank you guys for continuing the search on behalf of us and finding an option in a difficult city to find options in.

Does the move to Wednesdays bother you?
Wednesdays are fine by me. Thursdays would be better, but the inconsistency of having a place to play at the Ship has completely stopped me from going, so Wednesdays are looking mighty good.

Is the location a major problem?
Getting there is a bit more of a nuisance and getting home is longer with more transfers. But again, not so much that it doesn't override the current problem of the Ship's inconsistency.

Does the option of running tournaments on Saturdays again sound awesome?
This isn't that big of a deal from me because if I'm setting aside a Saturday to go to a tournament, going to Wandsworth was just as much trouble as going to the Dark Sphere area. Not a deal maker or breaker for me. I also wonder how we'll coordinate with the Wandsworth guys since they were nice enough to pick up the slack after the DS option became untenable.

Do you just love the idea of having chicken nuggets for dinner? If we don't spend enough money regularly we will get kicked out.

This is a bit of an issue for me only because of how variable it is. We can't really charge a flat fee for tables anymore, nor should we have some people "subsidising" other people's games. If you figure an average of 2 pints per person would be reasonable, that's about £9.50 each. Which means we'd need 21 people to come to the club each night. I think we can only count on half as many regularly, with some weeks getting 15-ish. (Should we assume club table fees are going away as part of this deal?)

I don't see those statistics play in our favour in the long run. Sad

--Norbert
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WTC Committee member and Head Judge; Cocktail Killer.
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#15
(03-06-2017, 07:06 PM)LukeC Wrote: Wednesday's are always a no go for me,  it's the worst possible night. As I alway WFH and do the school run morning and evening. That's my GFs free night during the week as well. Not that she'll be going gaming, I think...

Location is good and I spend 20 quid anyway on food and drink at the Ship. Weds is sadly just not possible for me.

What does your girlfriend do on Wednesday night? Can you trade evenings with her?
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(03-06-2017, 08:39 PM)Dr_Norbert Wrote: Thank you guys for continuing the search on behalf of us and finding an option in a difficult city to find options in.

Does the move to Wednesdays bother you?
Wednesdays are fine by me.  Thursdays would be better, but the inconsistency of having a place to play at the Ship has completely stopped me from going, so Wednesdays are looking mighty good.

Is the location a major problem?
Getting there is a bit more of a nuisance and getting home is longer with more transfers.  But again, not so much that it doesn't override the current problem of the Ship's inconsistency.

Does the option of running tournaments on Saturdays again sound awesome?
This isn't that big of a deal from me because if I'm setting aside a Saturday to go to a tournament, going to Wandsworth was just as much trouble as going to the Dark Sphere area.  Not a deal maker or breaker for me.  I also wonder how we'll coordinate with the Wandsworth guys since they were nice enough to pick up the slack after the DS option became untenable.

Do you just love the idea of having chicken nuggets for dinner? If we don't spend enough money regularly we will get kicked out.

This is a bit of an issue for me only because of how variable it is.  We can't really charge a flat fee for tables anymore, nor should we have some people "subsidising" other people's games.  If you figure an average of 2 pints per person would be reasonable, that's about £9.50 each.  Which means we'd need 21 people to come to the club each night.  I think we can only count on half as many regularly, with some weeks getting 15-ish.  (Should we assume club table fees are going away as part of this deal?)

I don't see those statistics play in our favour in the long run.  Sad

--Norbert

Thanks for your reply Norbert, you definitely raise some good points

Table fees will not be going away. These are in place to allow us to renew terrain,cover website costs, special purchases like zones and clocks, and plan for issues like this. The minimum spend is for the club to bear and we will have to pick up the shortfall. A £2 table fee for the night is not very much IMO (same as DS). so if there is a shortfall we will make it up, but obviously if this is not sustainable we may have to shut down. The more people spend, the more secure the venue and club is. We are not asking you to spend a fortune, but we would encourage you to treat it like any other night out you might have socialising; getting food together, having a few drinks and a good time.

Currently at the ship, before the disruption, we were reaching an average spend of £180. We do have the possibility of a waiter in the room to do ordering, etc, so it will be much easier than it is in the ship, where going downstairs to the bar can be a hassle in the middle of a game. We will also have a bigger capacity and potential overflow of gamers from DS. 

As far as the weekend events go, we have no intention of conflicting with Eagle. Jan and Alec have put on some great events and done an amazing job since DS let us all down. We are merely providing the possibility of an alternative venue, and maybe extra events which people will love.
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#17
Hi Marcus,

Thanks for the extra details. Very helpful. I was particularly impressed to read that we were averaging £180 at the Ship. That's amazingly close to what this place will require, so feeling much more comfortable about it now.

Has the Committee put some thought in how we can use our tournaments as a means to create a small war chest to help cover any shortfalls on the weekly basis?

--Norbert
Privateer Press Judge at large; loose in London.
WTC Committee member and Head Judge; Cocktail Killer.
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#18
The minimum spend for a weekend day is significantly more than for a wednesday evening unfortunately, we'd need very large events (20+ players) to make reliable profits.
But it is something we've discussed and thought about Smile
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#19
Wednesday evening is not a problem for me, and the location is fine. £200 per night sounds a lot to me, but if you guys have looked at the numbers and think they'll work then I'll go with that. I normally have my dinner and a drink at the club so I'm happy enough with that.
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#20
Personally, the new venue is pretty good for me.

The minimum spend is a genuine issue, but I guess if we move to one night a week we might have a bigger regular attendance which might mitigate things a bit. If we can get 16 people with half of them eating and everyone having two drinks then we should be fine. If we start to miss regularlg, we could ask all players to commit to two drinks / a drink and a ome food though.

If we run into problems, it will be at quieter times of year - mostly summer right? We might have to take Summmer break or see if the pub can make an exception in August.

All in though- I think it sounds great. Well done for finding a viable option guys.
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